Fire Element Overpowered - Page 4 - Guild Wars Forums

OSUJay · Apr 20, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.

In what situation are you fighting 1 vs 1? Even in a 1 vs 1 situation you could easily interrupt a Meteor Shower since it has a 5 second cast time.

Stormlord Alex · Apr 20, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.

1v1 means nothing in Guild Wars. Your argument is absolutely meaningless.

milkflopance · Apr 20, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by OSUJay

In what situation are you fighting 1 vs 1? Even in a 1 vs 1 situation you could easily interrupt a Meteor Shower since it has a 5 second cast time.

Would there be any need to? You could kill them twice in that time.

Risus · Apr 20, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by rike1

Fire is probably the strongest, but there are other good builds out there.

They don't have the degen burning does, but lightning builds can be strong and powerful and earth builds are more for defense while dishing out small damage.

I think water sucks though ^_^

Water is mostly snares. Some damage like Shatterstone and Vapor Blade though.

Also, fire ele's arn't overpowered. Compared to all other attributes, fire has NO skills that will either cause missing, decrease damage taken, or slow them down.

Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.

Stand away from the Ele while s/he's casting MS and come back when it's casted.
Or run in and interrupt it, 5 seconds is actually quite a long time...

It seems your reflexes are just horrible, good day.

P.S -- This is a team game. And Warriors output more DPS, even WITHOUT relying on stupidity.

Risus · Apr 20, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.

LOL, my warriors hit 150+ on squishies, try killing me with fire.

Zena Starlight · Apr 21, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

This thread is funny as hell.... I guess fire eles would be overpowered if everyone was tooooooo damn stupid to move out of the way.

Too bad a great deal of the population is too stupid to move away. I really love how all the pre-searing cadets seem to think fire is overpowered.

Edit: Oh this wasn't meant to be offensive towards anyone, just an observation I made.

DarkGanni · Apr 21, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

If I remember correctly gaile said it herself they expect alot of firepower from fire magic. Fire Magic is the most used element by players imo but doesnt mean its overpowered, if we make it this way that means curses are overpowered due to the millions of SS necros

- Ganni

magicman117 · Apr 21, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Zena Starlight

Too bad a great deal of the population is too stupid to move away. I really love how all the pre-searing cadets seem to think fire is overpowered.

So even if you bought this game the day it came out, and stuck with the game throught out the entire time it's been around, and just recently made an account on guildwarsguru, does that make them a noob to you?

angmar_nite · Apr 21, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

It's not an opinion. It's a matter of fact. D-shot is overpowered. MS is not.

explodemyheart · Apr 21, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.

If you're fighting 1v1, that means, presumably, that you have the person targeted and can watch what spells they're casting. Unless MS is glyph sacced, it takes 5 seconds to cast. That means that in those 5 seconds you can watch it casting the spell and then MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Like, omg. The meteor shower doesn't follow you wherever you go? Blasphemy!

If gets glyph sacced or half casted, you still have time to react and move out of it unless you have terrible reaction time (which appears to be the problem). Even if you take damage from the initial hit, as soon as your ass stands back up, MOVE. You're knocked down every THREE seconds.

At this point, with everybody against you and nobody on your side, wouldn't a normal person be asking themselves if maybe all these people were correct and you did not, in fact, know what you were talking about?

Zena Starlight · Apr 21, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by magicman117

So even if you bought this game the day it came out, and stuck with the game throught out the entire time it's been around, and just recently made an account on guildwarsguru, does that make them a noob to you?

Except if you started when the GW has been around, it would be quite obvious Fire Magic isn't overpowered. I suppose big numbers= overpowered?

DarkFlame · Apr 21, 2008, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by magicman117

I just think that Guild Wars should make all elements close to each other, with their own specialties.

Air has armor penetration, blinding and KD.

Water has snares, aoe snares, +AL and blinding.

Earth has wards, aoe KD and +AL.

Fire has aoe and burning. And 2 kds that aren't worth mentioning. Only 13 fire spells cause burning, of those 5 can be negated by moving around and 2 are conditional Elites. Of those that are left, only one causes burning for more then 3 seconds(of five total). If anything Fire has the short end of the stick.

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Originally Posted by magicman117

Not only does earths special of knock down occur with earth magic, But fire can knock down too! YAY

But since you do mention it, [[meteor] and [[meteor shower] both have long cast times, long recharges and cause exhaustion. They do not measure up to the KDs available on the Earth line.

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win.

Hmm, squishy with long cast times and spells centered around a target that does not move versus a high armored tank with plenty of interrupts and speed boosts. Yeah, no brainer there.

Alex the Great · Apr 21, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

in all honesty, unless the meteor shower was glyph of sacced, a warrior would have the ele almost dead before it finished casting (this assumes you already have adrenaline)

so lets see
-ele casts meteor shower
--warrior is attacking, runs away and pulls out furious spear to build adren
-ele finishes casting
--warrior goes in and executes axe combo
-ele kites
--warrior uses bull's strike
-ele dies

this exact situation happened to me today when i decided to go to Ab and see if fire ele's where really that common, and yes there were a lot of them.

BroodingEvil · Apr 21, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

If you're fighting 1v1, that means, presumably, that you have the person targeted and can watch what spells they're casting. Unless MS is glyph sacced, it takes 5 seconds to cast. That means that in those 5 seconds you can watch it casting the spell and then MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Like, omg. The meteor shower doesn't follow you wherever you go? Blasphemy!

If gets glyph sacced or half casted, you still have time to react and move out of it unless you have terrible reaction time (which appears to be the problem). Even if you take damage from the initial hit, as soon as your ass stands back up, MOVE. You're knocked down every THREE seconds.

At this point, with everybody against you and nobody on your side, wouldn't a normal person be asking themselves if maybe all these people were correct and you did not, in fact, know what you were talking about?

First of all: Even if i were to move away, the elementalist could simply go into the area in which the spell was cast and continue to cast from there, it's not as if fire has nothing but AOE.

Second: You fail to mention that you are knocked down for at least 1 second. Yes i realize that gives you 2 secondes to leave, however a smart Elementalist will have a way to root you. If that is not the case, i'm still on the outside of the AOE and they are safely out of my range.

Third: Going by that logic, Galileo should have thought the world was flat, and all of Deutschland should have been Nazis...etcetera etcetera. I suppose I'm not a normal person and am damn proud of it.

Coloneh · Apr 21, 2008, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.

lol what? even if 1v1 was a valid argument warriors pwn (fire) eles in the face hardcore. if you were playing air, there might be an argument there.

masta_yoda · Apr 21, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

fire: best aoe damage
earth: defensive skills, [wards, eruption,unsteady etc, weakness]
lightning: best spike dmg
water: good for snare,quite a few defensive skills

explodemyheart · Apr 21, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

First of all: Even if i were to move away, the elementalist could simply go into the area in which the spell was cast and continue to cast from there, it's not as if fire has nothing but AOE.

Second: You fail to mention that you are knocked down for at least 1 second. Yes i realize that gives you 2 secondes to leave, however a smart Elementalist will have a way to root you. If that is not the case, i'm still on the outside of the AOE and they are safely out of my range.

It's funny that everybody else can get out of MS just fine. Here's an idea though: if they move to where the AOE is, forget about them and switch targets. If you can't beat them, then you suck at warrior.

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

Third: Going by that logic, Galileo should have thought the world was flat, and all of Deutschland should have been Nazis...etcetera etcetera. I suppose I'm not a normal person and am damn proud of it.

You should be a comedian cause that there is funny.

Musei Karasu · Apr 21, 2008, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

First of all: Even if i were to move away, the elementalist could simply go into the area in which the spell was cast and continue to cast from there, it's not as if fire has nothing but AOE.

Second: You fail to mention that you are knocked down for at least 1 second. Yes i realize that gives you 2 secondes to leave, however a smart Elementalist will have a way to root you. If that is not the case, i'm still on the outside of the AOE and they are safely out of my range.

Third: Going by that logic, Galileo should have thought the world was flat, and all of Deutschland should have been Nazis...etcetera etcetera. I suppose I'm not a normal person and am damn proud of it.

If you really badly want to continue this argument, why don't you tell us all your in game name, someone will invite you to their guild and you can 1v1 it with you as the stupid fire ele with MS and whoever else as the warrior. Then you'll understand.

I'll volunteer for that FYI.

jhu · Apr 21, 2008, 02:39 AM // 02:39

well the obvious answer is to cast meteor shower yourself! i prefer to give crippled first using hamstring and then follow up with meteor shower myself.

Apr 21, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11	#68
DarkGanni Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Malta Guild: [CuTe] Profession: E/	If I remember correctly gaile said it herself they expect alot of firepower from fire magic. Fire Magic is the most used element by players imo but doesnt mean its overpowered, if we make it this way that means curses are overpowered due to the millions of SS necros - Ganni

Apr 21, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37	#70
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	It's not an opinion. It's a matter of fact. D-shot is overpowered. MS is not.

Apr 21, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37	#74
Alex the Great Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: America.....got a problem with that? Guild: [Lite] Profession: W/	in all honesty, unless the meteor shower was glyph of sacced, a warrior would have the ele almost dead before it finished casting (this assumes you already have adrenaline) so lets see -ele casts meteor shower --warrior is attacking, runs away and pulls out furious spear to build adren -ele finishes casting --warrior goes in and executes axe combo -ele kites --warrior uses bull's strike -ele dies this exact situation happened to me today when i decided to go to Ab and see if fire ele's where really that common, and yes there were a lot of them.

Apr 21, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49	#77
masta_yoda Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: most hated players in the [game] Profession: R/Mo	fire: best aoe damage earth: defensive skills, [wards, eruption,unsteady etc, weakness] lightning: best spike dmg water: good for snare,quite a few defensive skills

Apr 21, 2008, 02:39 AM // 02:39	#80
jhu Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2007	well the obvious answer is to cast meteor shower yourself! i prefer to give crippled first using hamstring and then follow up with meteor shower myself.